Tracy Rodriquenz indicated that Anita Rivers assists the police department in some duties when it is appropriate and dependent upon the circumstances. She respects the Town Manager because that’s her staff. If the project is a bit more in detail, Tracy gives the town manager the respect due and asks if Anita can do something for her because Tracy doesn’t want to be in conflict.
Tracy has been employed in the police department for 14 years and three years ago she became police chief.
Tracy indicated that her desk is approximately 10 feet from Ms. Rivers’ desk. It depends on what her position on her desk is because her desk is long. Some time you can make eye contact, sometimes not. If Anita comes all of the way to the far end, where her drawers and stuff are that she needs, Tracy can see her. If she is in the middle, Tracy can’t see her.
She is able to speak to Anita from her desk without getting up and she does not have to raise her voice to do so. She can speak normally.
If Tracy needs to have a conversation with Tebo, she would have to go to her office. “Of course, if she wasn’t busy, I mean, she said, I can pick up the phone and call her.” But to sit there and talk to her like I could Ms. Rivers, no, I don’t have that opportunity. There is no window between Tracy and Tebo’s office just a very thin wall, where sometimes you could hear each other speak.
As to Tomlinson, Tracy cannot speak to her from her office. But sometimes Tracy hears her speaking and she is sure, Tomlinson can hear her. It depends on the conversation and the time.
There are 11 in the police department. Tracy denied that she works 8:00 to 5:00 pm, Monday through Friday. When asked what shifts she worked, she said “I have the guys on an 11 and a half rotating shift. It’s a 28 day calendar, so its five on five off, five on four off, four on five off. Tracy indicated that from 2:00 am to when she gets in the office, between 7:00 to 8:00 in the morning, there is no coverage. Some nights they work later until 5:00 am and it depends upon the calls. YOU WILL NOTE SHE EVADED ANSWERING THAT SHE HAD A SHIFT. HAS SHE BEEN RELEASED BY HER DOCTOR YET?
Tracy knows that Andrew works and she knows his job but she doesn’t know what his title is.
When asked if Tracy socialized with Anita Rivers, she stated she had with respect to a concert Anita was selling tickets for Little Jimmy Reed, a Blues concert. Tracy purchased two tickets and went with her husband. Tracy considers that socializing.
In determining whether there was formal socializing, Tracy indicated she had never been to Anita’s house but her husband and sons came to dinner at Tracy’s house because it was for anybody that wanted to come. They park their vehicles when on a cruise but everybody does. It’s just business and Tracy stated there’s a gray area and a black and white but she does not personally hang out with anyone. YET APPARENTLY GOING OUT TO LUNCH WITH ANITA IS NOT SOCIALIZING?
Although the council appointed Tracy as police chief, Stacy Tebo is her immediate supervisor in accordance with the charter. Tracy asked “isn’t she? Mr. Koberlein nodded his head.
In describing her relationship with Anita, she stated it’s a professional relationship. I listen. My relationship with everybody is professional, but yet it’s because of my position. She stated that people come in to confide, in confidence and she listens to them.
Tracy stated Anita has come in several times in confidence. Anita has come to Tracy more often than the others. And she speaks about issues that are going on in the office that relate to Pam and Tebo.
Tracy considers her relationship with Tebo professional as well as her relationship with Tomlinson..
Tracy has also spoken about the Fire Chief, Kenny Hutcherson, not the new one; the older one in the past, Mr. Stith. I’m sorry. Mr. Steve Stith. I apologize. I forget we have new people. Anita has also spoken about council members Tonja Brown and Willie Jefferson.
Tracy states that Anita doesn’t have to mention it to her; one knows where she is at while at her desk. One can hear her and she will say “Well, he’s not answering me again, with respect to Andrew Greene.
When the attorney asked whether Ms. Rivers ever told her what was happening, she responded “I think – and please – I mean, I’m trying – you’re asking me to recall things that are none of my business. I really wouldn’t pay attention to it, because I’ve got so much going on in my own world. I believe, if I can recall correctly, she was upset because she tried to get a hold of Mr. Green about whatever it was. I cannot recall what it is, because like I said, it’s just bits and pieces that I’m hearing and trying to shut out at the same time.”
In asking Tracy whether she ever witnessed Pam using profanity in the workplace, she said “Yes, heard her”. She did witness Pam tell Anita “This is your damn job” Tracy was in her office and said “I just went, oh (demonstrating.) I was like, Oh (demonstrating,) I’m not going out my door. She didn’t have any knowledge what precipitated that remark but she just heard it. She believed Anita did say something, but to be honest she said, I pushed it aside.”
When asked if the remark was made back in 2016, Tracy said “I couldn’t tell you. I couldn’t tell you. I’m sorry.”
When asked if Tracy recalled Pam making any other remarks like that towards Ms. Rivers, Tracy said “No. I —I mean, there’s — there’s tension there”. She couldn’t explain it but stated “you could just tell, like there’s just tension. When asked if they don’t get along, Tracy said “I don’t that — I don’t — you’re asking me to guess again. When asked to define the tension Tracy stated that there are certain times when everything is all right I n the world and everything’s great and business is going and team work is jiving and everybody’s getting along and working together. And then there’s time where you can feel the tension in the air. You can just feel that there’s something not right, that there is an underlying current somewhere, and you just want to go in your office and hide in your hole.”
When asked if the tension is between Pam and Anita, or between anybody else, Tracy said “It depends on the — the day and the circumstances. She also sensed there’s tension between Ms. Tebo and Anita recently.”
There was tension when Ms. Tebo first started. Ms. Pam made the statement “Great, another damn woman; that’s all we need.” That statement was made in general when she was just talking.
Ms. Tebo had asked Tracy whether there was a change in Mr. Green’s attitude once Chief Stith was relieved of his duties. She mentioned where the Fire department put in a purchase order and it wasn’t authorized as it was supposed to be through Ms. Tebo. Tracy advised Tebo that there absolutely was a change,. Green was more outspoken, more friendly, would say hi, how are you and your day and we was very positive, yeah. It was like he came out of his shell.
When Tracy was asked whether Pam came to her in confidence and what she talks to her about. Tracy responded “Well, it wouldn’t be confidence if I told you, now would it?” But she did admit that the issues she came to her about were not work related.
When asked if Ms. Tebo, in confidence complains about Ms. Rivers or Ms. Tomlinson, . Tracy stated it was not about Ms. Rivers but that once again she was not going to get into the confidence. But when Anita comes to Tracy and speaks to her, she is coming to Tracy about Ms. Tebo or Ms. Tomlinson or other individuals. Anita basically comments about how she feels about work related issues.
When asked whether Anita ever intimated to Tracy that she’s being discriminated against?, Tracy answered “See, now you’re asking me to get into the confidence again. The attorney then stated “She has made this complaint, and she has identified you as somebody that I should speak to. If you’re uncomfortable telling me and you want to —that’s fine. This is not a deposition and I’m not here to force that issue” Tracy explained she did not wish to break somebody’s confidence. “When somebody confides in you, it’s because they don’t want you to repeat what they’re telling you.”
Tracy explained she was not trying to be difficult but she is a peace keeper and she likes to keep the peace between everybody, between Ms. Tomlinson, Ms. Tebo and Ms. Rivers, everybody.
Anita has complained about Pam smoking E-cigarettes in the office but Tracy said Pam stopped smoking E-cigarettes in the office but didn’t know whether Tebo spoke to Pam.
Tracy does not have a Facebook page so she didn’t know what post Anita made concerning the May Day celebration. Anita did talk to Tracy and felt that Tebo did not have the right to tell her what she could put on her social media. Tracy did not know whether Anita was disciplined. Anita did feel Tebo was discriminating against her because of having to take the webinar or retaliating against her.
Anita did come to Tracy about the cash drawer shortage of OCTOBER 2016 WHEN IT WAS SHORT $512.76. Tracy said when she bar-tended a long time ago that if she had to share a till with anyone, she refused to operate the cash register at all because she never worked in a place where one had to share a till because you are responsible for the money. She said she could understand Anita’s angst. Tracy heard Anita vocalize her concern and she was scared because she thought she would be the one getting blamed when Pam makes mistakes continuously, because of right wrong or indifferent. Anita was having this conversation in the open and anyone could have walked in at the time and could have joined in on the conversation. Tracy said Anita talks out loud to nobody.
Tracy clarified that it not something that she had first-hand knowledge of regarding Pam’s mistakes but Anita was mentioning it. Anita was worried that Pam has access to the same cash drawer and Pam is constantly making mistakes which Anita was going to get blamed for.
Anita felt they were discriminating against her or harassing her because she was Black. Tracy never told anybody about that nor did she encourage Anita to file a complaint. Instead Tracy encouraged her to speak with her supervisor, Ms. Tebo.
The attorney had a difficult time having Tracy relay information because Tracy said it was not comfortable and even when the attorney said “Okay, but your perception is what I am asking about, she answered in the following way “ “You’re asking me to say how Ms. Pam and Ms. Tebo are treating Ms. Rivers and how Ms. Rivers is taking it. I mean, she’s taking her treatment that way, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that that’s how she is being treated.”
Tracy did mention that there were times she had been uncomfortable for Anita. She mentioned it is when Pam has yelled at her. She said there have been quite a few instances but she did not have them in writing.
There was one incident in March with Ms. Tebo and Anita. Tracy was working in her office and heard chatter and then the talking went from one level to another. It got her attention so she wanted to come out of the office to see what was going on; but Anita came to the end of her desk and Tracy saw she was visibly shaking so called her into her office. Tracy told her to breathe and relax.
Anita said she had never been talked to like this in her life and she doesn’t understand why she is being talked to like this and she’s tired of being treated like this and it’s got to stop. “And I just told her to breathe, calm down, just relax and take it easy. Tracy got her calmed down in about ten minutes and she composed herself in the restroom and stayed working. Tracy said she wanted Anita to go home, but that it wasn’t her call nor was she her supervisor.
The attorney asked whether Tracy ever talked to Ms. Tebo and she said “No, no, no, absolutely, I wouldn’t”
Tracy said Officer Meeks was at the copier and he told Tracy that the matter stood him up. Officer Meeks said that he walked and told Anita that he was sorry that she had to put up with that.
Tracy said that Fire Chief Pittman had just walked out of her office when it happened but she didn’t know where he was at, but I know he had just walked out of my office.. They were working on the USDA Grant for vehicles.
Tracy said that Anita would come to her and complain about Pam plus the fact that the e-cigarettes were giving her a headache and making her sick to her stomach. Tracy just said she had to talk to Stacy.
When the attorney asked Tracy other than the other issue did Ms. Tebo raise her voice to Ms. Rivers in the workplace, Tracy stated it was over Mr. Griffin. When the attorney asked whether Ms. Tebo was raising her voice about Mr. Griffin towards any employee, or was it in general, Tracy said “Just venting.”
Then the attorney asked whether Ms. Rivers came to Tracy about any issues relating to Mr. Griffin and Ms. Tebo? Tracy said “Yes”. She said Anita feels that the way the man is treated, although, he is not liked and he does things that people don’t like, and he’s a pain in the butt and so on and so forth, that he should still have the same respect as any other citizen. Anita expressed that to Tracy in a conversation.
When the attorney asked whether Tracy witnessed anything that was any type of treatment with Mr. Griffin, that was consistent with what Anita was telling you, Tracy said Yes. When asked by who by the attorney Tracy stated “I’m going to have to start looking for a job. Thank you Mr. Larkin”. The attorney again asked who Ms. Tebo or Ms. Tomlinson, where it was witnessed them being critical of Mr. Griffin.. She finally said “Yes. She stated Ms. Rivers has not come to her about that. She said “it’s witnessed. You’re asking me now, you’re asking me what I’ve seen. So yes, I’ve heard it, the frustration, the venting. I mean, do I understand it? Yes. Do I agree with it? Sometimes.”
Tracy was asked whether Ms. Tomlinson was either denying her from being permitted to go for training for clerk duties. Tracy stated “Yes” and said she believed it was when Mr. Lawrence was there. Since then Anita has just given up because she’s been told No..
Regarding Anita being denied to be a poll worker, Tracy stated she knew that Ms. Tebo was uncomfortable with Pam doing it because Mr. Griffin was alleging, “tainting the process again, “ so she was uncomfortable with Ms. Tomlinson being there. Tracy said she knew Anita went up, took the training, came back and then she was going to be a pool worker and then didn’t. She told Tracy that Ms. Tebo wouldn’t let her be a poll worker and believed that it was unfair treatment or discriminatory.? YET IT WAS INTERESTING PAM AND TEBO WERE AT THE POLLING PLACE DOING WHAT I DO NOT KNOW BUT RHETT’S FACE TURNED RED WHEN I WALKED IN.
Anita also complained to Tracy that she had been excluded from the meetings with the auditor and that her duties entailed some of that stuff, that they’re wrapped around what she does. And Anita felt it was important for her to know what was going on, so she can ask her questions because when the meetings are over and they ask her to do something, they can’t explain it to her. Anita feels that if she was a part of the meetings she would have the opportunity to ask the questions that she would like to know, instead of trying to learn afterwards, because when she asks, they’re not explained to her.
Tracy didn’t know what Anita was DENIED from and her response was “I believe – I want to say the phone s were one instance, when they changed the phone system. I want to say the billing system. I want to say the finance – the bank came there one time; I think she said something about that, payroll. Both Ms. Tomlinson and Ms. Tebo excluded Anita from these meetings. It has been an ongoing complaint by Anita.
Ms. Tomlinson has also raised her voice at Tracy a couple of times. The first time was over a grant and the second time was recently over a message that Tracy took by phone for her. Tracy confirmed to the attorney that Pam yelled at her The first time Pam said “damn it” but it was over the phone
Keith Brookins was the chief and was doing the grant and they were having issues with the financials. He called Tracy in because Pam wouldn’t push it through and Tracy didn’t understand why she wouldn’t push it through. She was making it difficult when she didn’t need it to be. Tracy said regarding Pam “And I was trying to explain to her that you can go over; you can’t go under; If you go under, you have to be able to do a budget adjustment. She doesn’t – I do all of the work from A to Z , even the financial portion. I go in her office, I do her reports, so all she has to do is hit the button, submit. So I’ trying to explain to her because I’m not there that we can go over; that’s where there’s a clause in the grant that says anything above and beyond, the town will encumber. So that’s why that clause is there and she was determined that she wanted it to be that thousand and that thousand only. She didn’t want it to be $1,000.03, $1,000.01 and she wouldn’t approve – she wouldn’t submit the expense report. Pam was being difficult and she yelled at Tracy. Then Tracy said “Whoa, you know, who are you talking to like that and she calmed down then. Tracy then said, “We’ll just go over it when I get to the office because it’s difficult to go over something like that over the phone.
Even though Pam yelled at Tracy a few times, she wouldn’t complain about her. Tracy advised that since Ms. Tebo’s been Town Manager, Ms. Tomlinson has raised her voice at her.
When asked whether Ms. Tebo has mood swings, she said she’s not a psychologist nor a psychiatrist so she couldn’t tell the attorney how Ms. Tebo is her normal self, her work self or her relaxed self or on-guard self. She knew there are times that Ms. Tebo’s quiet and doesn’t want to be talked to and wants to be left alone, and it’s obvious. Then there’s times that Ms. Tebo will talk to you and have a calm , casual conversation.
Joe has already placed the information on the blog pertaining to the oxycodine, Tracy found in the bathrooms where the first she thought maybe one of her officers was using but did nothing about it and then the second one which Stacy said was hers. And rather than asking if Stacy had a prescription, Tracy asked Stacy’s boyfriend who said it was a prescription. Yet if it had been an officer, Tracy elected to allow him to perform his duties without any interaction. What a joke of a police officer.
I also remember when we paid the Town of White Springs with the advice of our attorney, that Stacy Tebo would not see us. Apparently the check was to be made to the order of the Florida League of Cities with respect to court costs. Instead she had Anita Rivers issue us a receipt for the check. This could have caused Anita a problem since Pam in her wisdom with Stacy Tebo’s advice elected to send the check we issued in the amount of over $3,000 back to us without a letter of transmittal, without sending it registered mail and without even a phone call to pick it up and return the receipt. The check was lost in the mail and we never received it. In my opinion Stacy either didn’t know what she was doing by one of her drug highs so she couldn’t leave her office or she was trying to get Anita in trouble by telling Anita to issue a receipt which we could have claimed and the Town could have done nothing about it. The staff, other than Anita, has no idea what do do in certain instances and Stacy certainly could not have an MPA with some of the stupid things she has done along with Pam who should have been fired years ago. Yet she wrote to Joe and said “You Stupid Man”.
Karin for the blog